Forum changes -- take it to the headline post.

Loogaroo · Trick Member Joined: 06 Feb 2002 Location: Glendale, CA

I don't think I agree with this move, for three reasons:

1) The index page is getting massively cluttered. There used to be only 5 DDR-related forums on the main page. Now there's seven, and soon to be eight when you add the "Official Introduction" page. You're getting too big.

2) New people won't know where to go anymore. When I joined up, I immediately went to the N/N/I board because the title implied that I could get acquainted and learn the ropes there. Having an N/N/I board means that n00bs have a safe haven to develop their sea legs before branching out to the other forums. They aren't going to immediately recognize a n00b-friendly board if N/N/I goes away. ("Official Introduction" doesn't really convey "Beginner-friendly" that well.)

3) Consequently, you'll flood the other boards with new people who are still feeling their way around here. Some people are impatient enough with n00bs; it'll only get worse when there's no place for them to go.

Just say yes to N/N/I.
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Junior Asparagus · Administrator Joined: 23 Jan 2002 Location: Natick, MA

This debate went on between the mods for a while. In the end, it seemed like a majority were in favor with it. Someone else can probably explain better than I, but some people just felt that the current layout was disorganized.

Personally I didn't see the need for forum reorganization, partially because of the reason you already stated with the newbies being unsure where to post (although the subheader for chit-chat now includes introductions). But in the end, I don't think it'll make THAT much of a difference. Everyone will adjust.
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J Dogg · Administrator Joined: 16 Jan 2002 Location: Sunnyvale, CA

The N/N/I boards were created because many people were getting annoyed at newbie-ish posts in the other forums. Newbies would post, people would flame them, and the newbies would get scared away. N/N/I was like a safe haven where they can be as newbie as they want, and still find encouragement among others. Now that it's going away, I also fear that the old flaming newbies will come back. I was the only person who voted against this idea. Since I trust the opinions of the other moderators, and because I don't post as much as I used to, I'm allowing this reorganization to go on. I guess we'll just have to see what happens. Rampage would be the best person to explain the reasons for the new layout.
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IguanaGrrl · Staff Member Joined: 17 Jan 2002 Location: Sacramento, CA

I was a don't care vote because there were parts I like, but parts I didn't like. I wasn't keen on losing N/N/I and I think the board has too many forums. In any case, I trust the judgment of the other moderators and hope that this will help the board.
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Cookies · Trick Member Joined: 06 Apr 2002

Loog I would agree with you a year ago, but when you look at the N/N/I forum now, what do you see? It's full of I passed this oni! I FCed Max 300! And several other non-newbie accomplishments.

N/N/I was a haven for newbies, but it turned bragging from the ddr elite. I don't think that's very welcoming to an amateur.

While I did oppose the idea of the forum being renamed, it really does seem like a better fix. Changing it to Introductions and accomplishments would have sufficed I think.

So is N/N/I and every post made within it going to be deleted? What's the fate of the forum?

Mr. Deus · Trick Member Joined: 27 Dec 2002 Location: smooveville

So long as I don't have to scroll down for Random Chat, I'm happy.

Romantic Boy · Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2003 5:00 pm Post subject: Hmmmmmmmm

Mr. Deus · Trick Member Joined: 27 Dec 2002 Location: smooveville

If somebody comes to this site just to brag, and leaves because they can't brag any more, I say good riddance.

Junior Asparagus · Administrator Joined: 23 Jan 2002 Location: Natick, MA

Phrekwenci · Administrator Joined: 27 Feb 2002 Location: New York, NY

Well, mixed opinions obviously.

rampage · Administrator Joined: 24 Jan 2002 Location: Redmond, WA

The rationale for the proposal was two-fold.

N/N/I and Gameplay were for the most part awfully redundant. Both boards had mostly the same talk in them. "How do I pass this," "need help with this song," "how do I freestyle." The only difference was that N/N/I had introduction threads and people posting about accomplishments.

We have enough forums without needing such similar forums. We're trying having an introductions thread as the top-most thread in chit-chat since that's the first place people go. Most people post their "hello" message then it just sits there forever. Why not devote a thread to it where people can introduce themselves rather than a message board.

As far as accomplishments goes, we'll have to see how it goes with their new home in Gameplay. It never really got out of control in the N/N/I, and if things do get out of control we can take remedies.

Also, the arcade board was added to eliminate the excess of posts in chit-chat regarding arcade specific topics such as annoying shadowers, technical questions about the machines, upgrades, memory cards, etc.

Basically the idea is to eliminate clutter and have a more choesive location for things. It's still in progress, but I think things will work out for the best once the dust settles.

nystargate · Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2003 9:03 pm Post subject: Re: Hmmmmmmmm

Cookies · Trick Member Joined: 06 Apr 2002

well, I suppose I can make this comment here.

What exactly is the purpose of Chit Chat? It's going to be littered with people posting in the wrong forum and polls. I guess I just don't see the logic behind this forum. Every issue of DDR now has it's own forum, so Chit chat seems pointless.

slkmmm · Trick Member Joined: 14 Apr 2002 Location: Ripon, ca

Phrekwenci · Administrator Joined: 27 Feb 2002 Location: New York, NY

Cookies · Trick Member Joined: 06 Apr 2002

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Junior Asparagus · Administrator Joined: 23 Jan 2002 Location: Natick, MA

I'm sure regular posters like VGS are well aware of what the status of N/N/I was.

I still maintain that having all the most common sort of post-whorey threads in the same forum was generally a good thing. Now instead of one forum with lots of clutter, it's 2 or 3 forums with a little less clutter.

I'm just not convinced yet that all the newbies are smart enough to post in the right place when there isn't a forum that says NEWCOMERS in big letters. Perhaps I am cynical.
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Rufus! · Trick Member Joined: 13 Mar 2002

So how long is all this gonna take?
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