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Spike
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40.  Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| dreamdancer wrote: | | The main problem with moderators on this and many other boards is over-moderating. Over-moderating kills a lot of discussion and happens largely because mods feel they MUST exercise their power to lock threads even if there is no good reason to do so. |
Name 3 threads that were locked with "no good reason to do so." I'll give you the "good reason to do so."
| Quote: | Fines for not keeping your backyard tidy, public swearing, looking at a cop the wrong way, etc...
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I'm pretty sure that at least 2 of those aren't even real laws. So if a cop did those, he would be doing something illegal. Can you point out a time when we've punished someone for something that wasn't against the rules? Can you point out a time when we did something that was against the rules and didn't warn ourselves?
I have a feeling I won't get a response, as usual
| Quote: | | There are a great number of moderators on many discussion boards on the internet who have no power and no accomplishments to fall back on in their real lives. Being a moderator on a discussion board gives them some simulated power, the ability to lock threads, delete, edit what other people wrote makes up for the fact they've got a crappy life or even no life elsewhere. A lot of mods are sad creatures really. |
As a side note, we generally don't edit what other people write. Sure, we remove links that are advertising or pornish or whatever, but I wouldn't edit your message to be a flame towards you or something.
As another side note, it sounds like you'd rather assume that people have no life outside the message board. The above is the usual response of someone who didn't get their way on the internet. I for one am a second degree black belt in Tae Kwon Do. I was a senior instructor at my martial arts school for three years. I was a leader in my senior class. But hey, obviously I'm just "abusing powers" on the internet because I have nothing else in my life.
Anyways, care to give any actual examples to prove your point?
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dreamdancer
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| 41. Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 1:24 am Post subject: |
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It seems like I hit a nerve with my post.
| Spike wrote: | Name 3 threads that were locked with "no good reason to do so." I'll give you the "good reason to do so."
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You want me to tell you 3 threads, so you can tell me why I'm wrong? Would you mind if I don't play this game right now, I just don't have the time.
| Spike wrote: | | dreamdancer wrote: | Fines for not keeping your backyard tidy, public swearing, looking at a cop the wrong way, etc...
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I'm pretty sure that at least 2 of those aren't even real laws. So if a cop did those, he would be doing something illegal. Can you point out a time when we've punished someone for something that wasn't against the rules? Can you point out a time when we did something that was against the rules and didn't warn ourselves?
I have a feeling I won't get a response, as usual
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Umm, there was a pun in my post somewhere, about the cops/moderators enforcing petty, or arbitrary, or non-existent laws/rules. But nevermind now, I guess it was the wrong post to make a joke anyway.
And, ok I guess this is my response. I 'usually' do respond to people who respond to me.
| Spike wrote: | As a side note, we generally don't edit what other people write. Sure, we remove links that are advertising or pornish or whatever, but I wouldn't edit your message to be a flame towards you or something.
As another side note, it sounds like you'd rather assume that people have no life outside the message board. The above is the usual response of someone who didn't get their way on the internet. I for one am a second degree black belt in Tae Kwon Do. I was a senior instructor at my martial arts school for three years. I was a leader in my senior class. But hey, obviously I'm just "abusing powers" on the internet because I have nothing else in my life.
Anyways, care to give any actual examples to prove your point? |
Well, I was slagging off self-important moderators in general, but I'll try to be a bit more constructive in my criticism. Removing flames/swearing/porn links, etc is what moderators are here for. I didn't complain about that. But when moderators moderate (pardon the choice of words) for the sake of moderating, for example locking a thread because they feel it has gone on long enough or too long, or because it could technically be in another forum, or just because they feel one or more persons went off topic then it is reducing the 'fun-factor' in using these forums.
And acting like this doesn't happen on this board, won't make this board any funner either.
Spike, the comments I made weren't directed at you personally. You don't need to prove anything to me. While I admit generalizing isn't a good way to make a point - it had to be said some time. If you can't handle the way moderators are perceived, as self-important, petty and overeager to user their 'powers' at least by me. Then maybe you should look at the way moderators, including the ones on this board conduct themselves in regards to moderating.
Now, if my post seemed rather negative, so be it. I didn't mean to come accross as anti-DDRFreak, because I'm not. DDR Freak used to be my favourite discussion board. The key operative being 'used to be' unfortunately. I wouldn't bother posting this if I was at a point where I don't really care about this board anymore - I still do care. At the moment though I'm pretty close to not caring anymore.
| Spike wrote: | | Anyways, care to give any actual examples to prove your point? |
If this is an invitation to constructive criticism that you or anyone would listen to or even discuss - maybe even act upon, then I'd be happy to. It sounds to me like you're just going to justify yourself and ignore any criticism. In which case I really don't want to waste my time.
VxJasonxV, I guess I don't always agree - I said most things in response to Spike already.
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J Dogg
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| 42. Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 1:52 am Post subject: |
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I will be the first to admit that we make mistakes. We've locked stuff that probably shouldn't have been, we've warned for things that probably shouldn't have been warned, etc. That's why in the warning system it says to PM the mod who warned you. Of all the points I've given out recently, I've probably deleted a third of them. And when people appeal to me about their points, I agree with them almost half the time. Most of the time, if a person shows that what I thought was a flame was really an inside joke, or some other thing, I'll just let it go. Anyway, if you'd like to post some things that you don't think we took the right disciplinary action, go ahead. Heck, if you're right, we might have to retune some of our policies. We didn't get to where we are today by blindly imposing our will.
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dreamdancer
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| 43. Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 2:17 am Post subject: |
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| J Dogg wrote: | | We didn't get to where we are today by blindly imposing our will. |
That's true. And I didn't mean to say that DDR Freak is a crap site, in which case I wouldn't be here and I wouldn't care about it, nor that the moderators here are a bunch of Nazis. It's just that I lately felt a lot of the fun had been taken out of this board by not being able to respond to threads I wanted to, because they'd been locked needlessly (in my opinion). And I didn't really want to post new threads or responses because I felt some of the mods had contributed to a less casual and easy going atmosphere by over moderating.
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| 44. Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 4:14 am Post subject: |
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The only thing that gets my goat about this site (and I'm not sure if the mods are to blame) is that whenever a thread gets locked because it went off topic or people started flaming each other and people still want to discuss the topic, we can't because it's against the rules to have more than one topic - even if that topic is locked. So basically it's "hey, you couldn't discuss it the first time, so you don't get to discuss it again".
Now, this hasn't happened in a while, but I remember not too long ago this would happen a lot, and it would always make me a little irked. |
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Agilab
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| 45. Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 4:44 am Post subject: |
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| J Dogg wrote: | | That's why in the warning system it says to PM the mod who warned you. |
Yeah, it works too. DDR Freak is not the "Community ran by Nazi's" that some people call it. I have yet to find a site that is at a parallel to it....
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| 46. Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 6:52 am Post subject: |
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| dreamdancer wrote: | | Well, I was slagging off self-important moderators in general, but I'll try to be a bit more constructive in my criticism. Removing flames/swearing/porn links, etc is what moderators are here for. I didn't complain about that. But when moderators moderate (pardon the choice of words) for the sake of moderating, for example locking a thread because they feel it has gone on long enough or too long, or because it could technically be in another forum, or just because they feel one or more persons went off topic then it is reducing the 'fun-factor' in using these forums. |
I wanna touch on this myself.
I see a lot of people in the regional forums that bitch about moderators killing their fun, when often their fun just gets out of hand. I mean, in the Memphis thread in South, I've got at least 20 pages back of little useful content other than people saying "PIMPS UP". But that's their thing, and while I might think it's juvenile, I'm not going to crush them for it. I try to keep the fun in things, but not at the expense of overall intelligence.
Which brings me to Consoles/Arcades.
These two forums are designed to deliver information. They're not for entertainment, though we all enjoy ourselves here.
For Consoles, there's lots of useful discussion in the sticky threads. I can understand why some less-patient individuals wouldn't want to wade through a 10-/20-/50-page thread, but my thinking is that "Those people spent a lot of time discussing exactly what you're asking. It's the least you could do to thank them for their time. When you post a thread asking 'Is this metal pad any good?' when there are five pages of posts in the metal pad thread, you're basically saying that you don't care what those people think. That, or you're lazy."
In Arcades, I often get a lot of threads bumped with what isn't a "me too", but doesn't really add anything to discussion. I mean, outside of adding some pictures, I think we've thoroughly exhausted the Black Arrow thread. And yet it keeps getting bumped. Half the time by someone saying "PIX???" or "Could it be because of ***" even though people have already concluded that *** is the reason it happens.
Ultimately, I think it all boils down to what the intent of each forum is as to how heavy we swing the hammer.
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J Dogg
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| 48. Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Misaki's Midnite Blaze wrote: | Moving back on topic
If your want to have the best come out of the mods, the idea of the pm warning system will definately work. I've seen other forums i've been apart of that've used that system and it's worked really well. |
We already have a pm warning system...
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Phrekwenci
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| 49. Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 7:24 am Post subject: |
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I wish my signals for new posts were working in here.
| dreamdancer in a PM wrote: | | Talking about other players achievements and how good they are does belong in DDR Chit-Chat. You are just being a typical nitpick locking this thread because you have nothing better to do to make yourself feel important. |
And then after reading about what you have posted here. It makes me believe that you think you know about my life (or any other mods for that matter). Either from what you have read elsewhere, or have heard from people otherwise. Which is literally impossible. On the other hand.
| Quote: | | Well, I was slagging off self-important moderators in general... |
Whatever my accomplishments are, are self-important. Who really cares how many tournaments I've won, or how many events I've ran? What school I graduated from etc? Me, that's it (and this goes for anybody really). The only relevance I have in your life, is that I locked your thread. Since that is important, I must not be totally "self-important" here.
Contrary to popular belief I was 'hired' here because I was thought to be a good moderator, not because I had connections. As with just about any other moderator here. Sure, all of us may have had a few quick-draw locks. But our majority is what counts, and generally we will re-think our locks if it's seriously questionable. Posting an accomplishment (whether it's yours or not), is a Gameplay topic. It says it right in the forum description.
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| 50. Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 9:19 am Post subject: |
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| dreamdancer wrote: |
And acting like this doesn't happen on this board, won't make this board any funner either. |
'FUNNER' IS NOT A WORD. |
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dreamdancer
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| 51. Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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Yep, I did hit a nerve with some people.
| Phrekwenci wrote: | | And then after reading about what you have posted here. It makes me believe that you think you know about my life (or any other mods for that matter). Either from what you have read elsewhere, or have heard from people otherwise. Which is literally impossible. On the other hand. |
You take my general comments in here personal? I didn't mention your name or anyone elses. They were generalizations, albeit not very good ones I admit, and generalizing isn't a good thing in general. Pardon the pun. As far as your life is concerned, I do not think about it or care in the slightest about it.
| Phrekwenci wrote: | | Contrary to popular belief I was 'hired' here because I was thought to be a good moderator, not because I had connections. As with just about any other moderator here. Sure, all of us may have had a few quick-draw locks. But our majority is what counts, and generally we will re-think our locks if it's seriously questionable. Posting an accomplishment (whether it's yours or not), is a Gameplay topic. It says it right in the forum description. |
The point of my post wasn't the lock you're referring to. It was the general anarchy, endless flamewars, blatant piracy advocation and general intolerable anti-social behaviour that permeates this board. You know all that stuff that should be moderated, that doesn't really exist on this board in the first place.
There isn't a problem on this board with the above mentioned issues, this is actually a pretty cool board. Nor do I think this board would descend into anarchy and flamewars if a few moderators would just lighten up a little bit. Sorry if my previous posts came across as a rather negative attitude about this board, that wasn't my intention.
The issue that I posted about isn't a huge one either, but it is a bit of a nuisance. It has just gotten annoying not being able to post in some threads because some moderators got their proverbial knickers in a twist about exactly where those threads were posted, or who strayed off topic.
Furthermore I sent you a private message and you felt the need to post it in a public forum. That's fine by me, I meant what I said. Maybe you can see how you come across as a nitpick, and this doesn't concern one lock. Maybe you can even draw some consequences and lighten up. But on the other hand maybe you just don't care or are too busy or stubborn justifying yourself.
| Voodoo Genie Shaman wrote: | | 'FUNNER' IS NOT A WORD. |
You are absolutely 100% correct - 'funner' is not a word the correct term would be 'more fun'.
Hey, if the president of the United States can randomly invent words then so can I! Don't get me started on calling you a nitpick! 
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Phrekwenci
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| 52. Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2004 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| dreamdancer wrote: | | Furthermore I sent you a private message and you felt the need to post it in a public forum. That's fine by me, I meant what I said. Maybe you can see how you come across as a nitpick, and this doesn't concern one lock. Maybe you can even draw some consequences and lighten up. But on the other hand maybe you just don't care or are too busy or stubborn justifying yourself. |
I live by a rule that any message/conversation that you have with me, has the ability to be publicly posted. That's the way I work, and if it makes it so people are scared to speak with me in private, so be it. I don't see how I am a nitpick actually, why not you draw the consequences.
And if I didn't care I don't think I would have replied.
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| 53. Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 1:31 am Post subject: |
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How's it goin'!
I have nothing but props to the Mods/Admins on DDR Freak. They do a good job of keeping the peace. But of course, they're human beings.
I'm wondering, if a php BB for a particular website reaches over 10k members, that's when it's necessary to impliment the Warning System?
I've noticed that websites that uses the phb BB for their forums and have for example, only 500 members, there's no such thing as the warning system in their FAQ. The mods in those types of forums are like more leient than you guys. No offense or anything.
So I just want to know, if a forum that has under 10k members, there is no way to put that system? And when did you guys enforced the warning system.
Sorry that I sort of got off topic, but it kinda relates to it. I'll be willing to make a new thread about this, if you guys give me the green light. 
Gerald
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Spike
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| 54. Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 9:46 am Post subject: |
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JDogg wrote the warning point system. So you can't just download it and install it on to any PHPBB system.
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VxJasonxV
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| 55. Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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I thought rampage wrote it?
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J Dogg
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| 56. Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| VxJasonxV wrote: | | I thought rampage wrote it? |
I wrote the first version. Rampage made it usable . Ask the old mods how annoying it was to have to login to a separate page every time they wanted to warn someone.
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| 57. Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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Slight OT but you made this warning system to warn people when they do bad things. I think it would be a good idea to make a system that gives benefit or recognition when people do good things.
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Spike
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| 58. Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Pollgara wrote: | | Slight OT but you made this warning system to warn people when they do bad things. I think it would be a good idea to make a system that gives benefit or recognition when people do good things. |
You mean like SSR?
Weren't you around to hear how bad that became? And why we scrapped it? Surely you've seen some of the mods and other people recall the days of SSR.
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| 59. Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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For all the time i've been around here (even though i took a two month break or so), i've never really had a problem with the mods, and i've felt that they've done a good job. I've been an admin/mod on other boards with 50 people and we got crap, so i can't imagine what you have to deal with. I do like that idea Pollgara had.
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