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Desoulman
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40.  Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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Heh, I got the guy in charge of the server addicted to DDR, and we hang out at his house all the time (he's only 26). Needless to say, even if it becomes a problem, its not going to bother me any. We won't be any worse off in the end.
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Spike
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| 41. Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Needless to say, even if it becomes a problem, its not going to bother me any. We won't be any worse off in the end. |
Unless the guy gets fired when the university finds out that they're paying for something that is entirely non-educational and non-beneficial in any way other than making you (possibly) better at a video game. Or for pure entertainment. You may not be bothered any, but our point is that generally school servers don't work.
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J Dogg
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| 42. Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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Or even worse, if they decide to sue us for damages with regard to the cost of the extra bandwidth... which as we all know is quite a lot.
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Desoulman
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| 43. Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 7:29 am Post subject: |
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I don't see how they would sue you for the bandwidth... I'd be hosting videos, and people who frequent your site, by coincidence, would be downloading those videos.
I think you guys are worrying too much. Would it be better then, if I only hosted 3 videos at once, and rotated them every few days?
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Cutriss
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| 44. Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:17 am Post subject: |
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People can sue for damn near anything. And what really sucks is that, regardless of the merit of the complaint, you still need to hire a lawyer to go talk the judge into laughing the case out of court. And not every judge will do that right off.
And I dunno if we can afford a lawyer just to ward off a silliness complaint. Especially since these very forums can be used as proof that we knew the possibility of damage existed if we allowed you to host the videos.
So, yeah. Not really worth the risk.
And I think the other part of the problem is that we want something *reliable* for the videos. We certainly can't use your FTP account, and while this isn't saying anything about you, having something unexpected come up on your end at the time you would normally rotate videos means that we get people asking us why they can't see the new videos yet and there's nothing we can do about it because we're at your mercy. That's not a position we'd like to find ourselves in for *anyone*.
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J Dogg
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| 45. Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:13 am Post subject: |
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| Desoulman wrote: | | I don't see how they would sue you for the bandwidth... I'd be hosting videos, and people who frequent your site, by coincidence, would be downloading those videos. |
You'll be hosting the videos, I will be linking to them, and the school will be paying for bandwidth. Do you see the problem here?
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not dryad
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| 46. Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Desoulman wrote: | I don't see how they would sue you for the bandwidth... I'd be hosting videos, and people who frequent your site, by coincidence, would be downloading those videos.
I think you guys are worrying too much. Would it be better then, if I only hosted 3 videos at once, and rotated them every few days? |
if a store can be sued when a parent trips over her own child, then you can be sued over bandwidth. it's hard to find things that you can't be sued for, nowadays.
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sherl0k
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dasbacon
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| 48. Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 12:27 am Post subject: |
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I wish we had some actual numbers in terms of amount of bandwidth per file size that is going to be needed.
Using a hybrid of a beefy HTTP and bit torrent batchs would be very easy to get tons of files out to many users.
Many of the more higher accomplishment videos can be thrown on a torrent which will keep the torrent alive for much longer since the popularity of the video wont be diminishing for a long period of time. Also ventage tournament videos that are listed at the video section now will make great torrents. They can also be on a request base as well, if there is a problem with seeds that is. I know blue^ has all of the videos on a hdd some where. Send that to l0ks so we can see them online as a whole again!
For videos of random players AAA's, or other good accomplisments, can be thrown on an HTTP and if trends show that the video is not getting many downloads it can be removed. If enough users request it back, it can easily be thrown back on the http. Also if the video is pumping more than X amount of bandwidth, it can be thrown on a torrent.
Even though this sounds like a great deal of work, Im doing more work now having an unorganized method of recieving videos, hosting them, and posting them. If there was one universal place for everyone to grab videos it would be alot less work for video junkies, like me. With DDRFreak's popularity it wont be hard to make this THE place for the best tatsujin videos.
Right now there is nothing for you too loose. All this can be setup in less than an hour. I already have a perfectly working tracker and oddles of HTTP space and bandwidth.
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Cutriss
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| 49. Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:25 am Post subject: |
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| dasbacon wrote: | | I wish we had some actual numbers in terms of amount of bandwidth per file size that is going to be needed. |
| J Dogg wrote: | | About 3TB in 3 weeks. Each video is about 5-10 MB each. |
While it's not a per-file basis, I believe at this point, only a very small handful of people know what each video is, so the popularity of any one video is going to be minimized since they'll all be downloaded from the onset. So, basically, for initial figures, you can just divide the bandwidth equally among them. | dasbacon wrote: | | For videos of random players AAA's, or other good accomplisments, can be thrown on an HTTP and if trends show that the video is not getting many downloads it can be removed. If enough users request it back, it can easily be thrown back on the http. Also if the video is pumping more than X amount of bandwidth, it can be thrown on a torrent. |
So, basically, you're suggesting we take the plunge anyway, and just watch to see if we're getting nailed?
As stated before, the problem with BitTorrent is that you require people to be intelligent and helpful, and that's a bad assumption to make. I don't see BitTorrent saving us a whole lot of bandwidth because I don't honestly see a lot of people leaving the torrents up after they've gotten what they've wanted. Nonetheless, I just had an idea of a way to circumvent this problem, so I'm going to circulate it and see how the other staff feel about it.
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sherl0k
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dasbacon
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| 51. Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| [RTFAQ] Cutriss wrote: | | As stated before, the problem with BitTorrent is that you require people to be intelligent and helpful, and that's a bad assumption to make. I don't see BitTorrent saving us a whole lot of bandwidth because I don't honestly see a lot of people leaving the torrents up after they've gotten what they've wanted. |
The ease of installing BitTorrent, opening a torrent, and waiting for the torrent to download is no harder than anyone registering at the forum and posting in our threads. Not only will I provide step by step guides, but I will also provide one on one user support via email, instant msger, or IRC.
To obtain more accurate numbers I suggest we do the following;
Setup a torrent with what we know would be an extreamly popular video, BlueMystic's Max 300 AAA. Link it to the videos section and get as much attention twords it as possiable and see what the seed/peer ratio and check the speed/bandwidth measurements after a period of three weeks.
Then I can hopefully use my ITG host and test another popular video, Kevbo's Maxx U AAA, which is unmetered and see how much bandwidth this consumes after three weeks.
To do something is better than sitting around doggy about all the current ideas and waiting for an act of god to give us an unmetered host again.
It wont hurt to try and its as simple as someone giving me the OK to set the torrent up, then linking the torrent in a news post.
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Cutriss
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| 52. Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| dasbacon wrote: | | The ease of installing BitTorrent, opening a torrent, and waiting for the torrent to download is no harder than anyone registering at the forum and posting in our threads. |
I'm not talking about the difficulty of using BT at all. Please reread my post - I'm referring to the fact that people need to be at least intelligent enough to know that BitTorrent relies on leaving the torrents running afterward - Intelligent enough to circumvent the selfishness of just cutting off the download, watching the video, and then pitching it in the recycle bin.
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Edible Bondage Tape
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| 53. Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 6:01 am Post subject: |
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| [RTFAQ] Cutriss wrote: | | dasbacon wrote: | | The ease of installing BitTorrent, opening a torrent, and waiting for the torrent to download is no harder than anyone registering at the forum and posting in our threads. |
I'm not talking about the difficulty of using BT at all. Please reread my post - I'm referring to the fact that people need to be at least intelligent enough to know that BitTorrent relies on leaving the torrents running afterward - Intelligent enough to circumvent the selfishness of just cutting off the download, watching the video, and then pitching it in the recycle bin. |
adopt the boxtorrent policy of banning people who keep low upload percentiges
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dasbacon
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| 54. Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| [RTFAQ] Cutriss wrote: | | dasbacon wrote: | | The ease of installing BitTorrent, opening a torrent, and waiting for the torrent to download is no harder than anyone registering at the forum and posting in our threads. |
I'm not talking about the difficulty of using BT at all. Please reread my post - I'm referring to the fact that people need to be at least intelligent enough to know that BitTorrent relies on leaving the torrents running afterward - Intelligent enough to circumvent the selfishness of just cutting off the download, watching the video, and then pitching it in the recycle bin. |
Even if users are to "grab and run" there would be a constant amount of people downloading the torrent. I assure, that if we make some more global annoucements about finding users to help with seeds we will recieve enough members willing to keep the torrents alive for a substansial amount of time.
I have had first hand experience with running public bit torrent trackers and am fully aware of these types of users. When you place a tracker in a high traffic area, such as DDRFreaks video section, you have alot less problems with seeds. Even with my tracker I had a few dedicated users to help with seeding and it was enough to keep the torrents running for a very long period.
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J Dogg
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| 55. Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:40 am Post subject: |
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I hope this little announcement doesn't get me into too much bandwidth trouble. I bought a new server dedicated for videos (currently at 2TB/mo)... and they're back up!
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Spike
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| 56. Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 1:25 am Post subject: |
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| J Dogg wrote: | | I hope this little announcement doesn't get me into too much bandwidth trouble. I bought a new server dedicated for videos (currently at 2TB/mo)... and they're back up! |
The videos are up?
That almost feels weird saying.
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J Dogg
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| 57. Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 2:43 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, doesn't it? Well hopefully 2 TB/mo (= 6 mbps) will be enough. If not, I'll have to put some bandwidth limiting things on it, which still shouldn't be that bad.
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Captain Canada
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| 59. Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 4:25 am Post subject: |
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Wow, can't remember the last time I right-click-saved something off that page...big thanks for getting those back up!
Question - is there a hold on semi-recent freestyle videos? I still have the good stuff from the FSRP, MGL 3vil, and SVGL3 tournaments (the FSRP's ripoff routines deserve a spot on that page, if anything =).
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