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20. Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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I find ITG doubles to be very hard. So hard that I manage to fail it on Medium mode. |
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21. Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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Synaesthesia wrote: | I would rate ITG 11s around the PIU 16 level (based on my expected stamina exertion on average for both difficulties) |
It may just be my inexperience with PIU, but I think ITG 11s are far easier than PIU 16s; they're closer to 14s. The reason is that most ITG charts are really easy to bracket rape, so they take almost no energy. The very layout of PIU's pad makes it impossible to bracket rape anything, so even really slow (110) bpm 16th notes are tiring. _________________
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22. Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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Boochypa wrote: | The reason is that most ITG charts are really easy to bracket rape, so they take almost no energy. The very layout of PIU's pad makes it impossible to bracket rape anything, so even really slow (110) bpm 16th notes are tiring. |
So you're saying that Anubis doubles (110 BPM 16ths, that's why I picked it) is far less tiring then a PIU Anubis doubles chart would be if it followed the same rhythm?
That doesn't make too much sense to me. I don't know how bracket raping would help on doubles, seeing that you're constantly moving between both pads....especially on songs like Anubis. _________________
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23. Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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I made that original post in reference to singles mode only. The songs I was thinking of were Pump Me Amadeus, Solitary 2, Beat of the War 2 (17, but overrated I think), and maybe something else that I don't recall offhand, and it was solely on basis of stamina exertion on both (though admittedly I haven't played ITG in a long time, and my stamina has probably increased since then (I hope)). Though, a definitive number might be hard to define in PIU, since they seem to have the misguided idea that crossovers are easy and drills are hard. _________________
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24. Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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I find ITG doubles to be very hard. So hard that I manage to fail it on Medium mode.
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It may just be my inexperience with PIU, but I think ITG 11s are far easier than PIU 16s; they're closer to 14s. The reason is that most ITG charts are really easy to bracket rape, so they take almost no energy. The very layout of PIU's pad makes it impossible to bracket rape anything, so even really slow (110) bpm 16th notes are tiring. |
Hmmm Interesting I don't think I bracket rape but i know what your talking about. I have played ITG long before PIU and i find PIU amazingly more natural then ITG. out of all the time i been playing dance games for exactly 7 months which is also the the time it took me to do 11's and in just 4 months to do 18's from when i started doing pump. I admit some of the pump ratings are f.ucked up i mean come on willow the wisp is no way in hell rated a hard 8 thats just BS!  |
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25. Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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ITG = retardedest on Doubles. _________________
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26. Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:37 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Tekkie Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:17 pm Post subject:
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ITG = retardedest on Doubles.
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No I think ITG's Doubles is brilliant and an incredible workout. Stamina is needed more |
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27. Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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has any single person passed raw yet _________________
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28. Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not counting that! |
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29. Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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Erotic Busty Tart wrote: | has any single person passed raw yet |
I think the closest so far is a 3-man team. But that's as much a "real" chart as LIADZ2 NMA. _________________
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30. Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:48 am Post subject: |
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I don't find a problem with any of the double step charts on ITG2 except for Vertex^2. Other than that song, all of them go quit nicely with the beat or are pretty fun. Though the 2nd on my list of hated step charts has to be Renaissance.
Some may be pretty hard or stamina intensive, they are more fun than the singles counter parts.
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31. Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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One thing i have just realized is that the new person in charge of making the ITG2 step charts really went crazy and tried to copy alot of pump stlye charts with keeping one foot on each pad for songs. I actually enjoy this alot and hope they continue making charts like this! as for timing windows i find itg to be very similar to itg's i don't know why but i can FA very well. |
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32. Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 8:47 am Post subject: |
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Mostly_Harmless wrote: | Quote: |
I find ITG doubles to be very hard. So hard that I manage to fail it on Medium mode.
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Give him a break. It is a lot harder than you think to go from singles to doubles. I get Cs and Ds on DDR doubles light, and I can A/B PSMO on singles. Its hard to know where you are when youre playing doubles. _________________
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33. Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:28 am Post subject: |
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EGI wrote: | Mostly_Harmless wrote: | Quote: |
I find ITG doubles to be very hard. So hard that I manage to fail it on Medium mode.
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Give him a break. It is a lot harder than you think to go from singles to doubles. I get Cs and Ds on DDR doubles light, and I can A/B PSMO on singles. Its hard to know where you are when youre playing doubles. | What he meant is that ITG double is no harder than DDR double on standard mode, so to say that you fail medium charts because ITG double is extrodinarily hard is incorrect.
Mostly_Harmless wrote: | One thing i have just realized is that the new person in charge of making the ITG2 step charts really went crazy and tried to copy alot of pump stlye charts with keeping one foot on each pad for songs. I actually enjoy this alot and hope they continue making charts like this! as for timing windows i find itg to be very similar to itg's i don't know why but i can FA very well. |
MJ, the double atep author from ITG1, is responsible for Reactor, Habanera 1, and pretty much all of the crazy ITG2 double charts. The new author XXXplizit, only did a few double charts on ITG2 like No Princess, Tribal Style, Little Kitty Mine, Vorsprung Durch Techno (Hard). Tribal Style is the only one I can think of that's a bit crazy. |
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34. Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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XXXPlizit made the Land of the Rising Sun expert steps, if I recall correctly (ITG3 beta). _________________
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35. Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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there is no way that in any dance game doubles is always harder then singles, In fact in most doubles games there seems to be alot less stream because of the fact that you are moving back and forth across the pads. i mean even look at piu, check out the song what do you really want? by crash it's crazy singles is much freaking harder then it's doubles nightmare. And in my eyes for ITG doubles a 9 rated doubles chart is just as hard as a 9 rated singles. while majority of pump seems to be hardest on doubles ITG always seems to have the hardest songs on singles, however i would like that to change in the future and save the really hard ratings for doubles like pump i think that would be cool. |
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36. Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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A lot of the charts on doubles for ITG are either harder than their counterparts or easier than their counterparts.
ie.) Xuxa expert on singles is an 11; on doubles it's a 9, etc. _________________
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37. Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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Mostly_Harmless wrote: | And in my eyes for ITG doubles a 9 rated doubles chart is just as hard as a 9 rated singles.
ITG always seems to have the hardest songs on singles, however i would like that to change in the future and save the really hard ratings for doubles like pump i think that would be cool. |
MANY people, myself included, find the footwork in doubles harder. That should come as no shock to you. Yes, charts like Mouth Expert double are no harder at all than stuff like Fly Away Expert Singles, but songs like Habanera 1 Expert Doubles has footwork too intensive for a guy just passing 9's on single.
But let's get out of the 9's for a second. The double digits are more noticeable in difficulty differences. You take a 10 singles chart like Kagami and you compare that to Infection Expert doubles, or Incognito, and you start realizing that doubles just seems harder. I didn't even get in to One False Move double.......LOL! Seriously, play the chart and you will laugh.
And for your other point, !, Energizer, and Vertex2 doubles are probably the hardest charts in ITG, at least hardest to score. Vertex2 is regarded as impossible by most double players and (to my knowledge) has only been passed by one guy. Seriously, V2 doubles is going away the hardest chart in ITG. _________________
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38. Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:10 am Post subject: |
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SO V2 seems to be everyones choice for the hardest chart? what is it rated a 13? and are there any other 13 doubles? |
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39. Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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!, Energizer, and V2 are all 13's on double.
Now to address your next question
Why is V2 doubles a 13?
You want my opinion? I think it is a 13 because no one song in ITG has been rated a 14 yet. (Note I said one song, I am well aware there is a 14 block marathon) V2 has twisty, stretchy, and all around odd footwork, at a fairly fast speed with jumps thrown in. This in and of itself is only hard, but coupled with the fact that the speedup at the end almost forces you to use a lower speedmod makes this chart seemingly impossible for some player.
And let's talk about that speedup. Unlike the original Vertex, the speedup in V2, both singles and doubles, actually is plain hard on foot DESPITE the the scroll speed. The scroll is just icing on the already formidable cake. Crazy streams with jumps at essentially the spped of 16ths at 175........in other words Destiny runs.
Very twisty jump Destiny runs........scrolling at 555
Yeah, I believe the reason it is rated 13 is because there aren't any 14's. Both ! and Energizer doubles are rated 13, yet they don't hold a candle to V2, which is a doubles 14 in my book _________________
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